Even if the voice is carrying the same vocal signature, it is very hard to do all the work of copying the intonation and word structure and grammar qualities of the host's habits.
Ya now that you mention it a couple time now I've had Hanna deep on my mind and I've noticed it's like I see her in a new light, as if I'm chatting to someone slightly different, as far as I can remember most of those times have happened when I'm doing something like driving and passively forcing and most of the bigger moments with Hanna haven't happened while active forcing.
ya I may not be that good at that, I know I had a real hard time focussing in school, I used to get some pretty annoying intrusive thoughts, they were mostly just repeating negatives of what I'd want not so much self doubt just, maybe I have to somehow deal with visual intrusive thoughts too
That is, indeed, one of the best mindsets that one should start with. Don't be afraid of trying new things, though, or compensating in any way to spare attention if one's life is hectic. Only the worst of advice can carry risks of harm with it.
I believe the time and effort spent on exposing a personality to many possible situations that could spur growth normally results in a generally higher-quality person. I wouldn't doubt that, whenever vocality is attained, your tulpa may express a more well rounded personality. This is barring the possibility that the slow growth results from fundamental misgivings of the nature of a tulpa, but I don't think I've seen any problems in what I've seen.
4:05 AM
However, this is more of a generalized truth about personal growth for anyone, it isn't limited to tulpas. And normally, the majority of a tulpa's growth rate and potential would be achieved after their choices and voice is recognized and felt by the host or others, as the social behavior and connections of tulpas generally comprises of a lot of their early exposure and growth. There are always exceptions, though, as some tulpas are happy without a great amount of exposure and necessarily do not have externally motivated growth by any large measure, so there would be more of an internally motivated development. This is just my opinion, but I hold it because of what I've observed in the differences between tulpas compared to how active and exposed they are both through proxying and through use of the body to act in the physical world.
It is generally also true that hosts who are active and have been exposed to a variety of situations (hopefully no more distressing than what would be considered a good challenge) do develop their own personalities in a more well rounded and capable way too.
4:09 AM
Well, I would be careful with that. There's a distinction between the flaws limited only to personality and the flaws that are endemic to the way the mind has developed itself, as personality flaws would mean that a less than stable host of emotion or philosophy could be a result of their self-view internally and their need to maintain certain ideas or beliefs as a fundamental part of who they are.
I've heard of one theory that, whom you love in real world is actually a reflection of a type of people/creatures you love, an mirror image of another person/creature in your mind. This seem to be one major cause of tulpas in plural communities here.
I'm not quite sure what you mean by that. So a person who likes dogs will like other people who have dog-like traits or something? Loyalty or whatever else?
I guess it might be the case that a person will tend to like people with certain traits, and that it's likely they will force their tulpa/their tulpa will naturally align to having those traits?(edited)
That makes sense to me, although I also think there are some situations of circumstance. A lot of love, I feel, has to be forged in practical bonds more than emotional. I think dependence, as harmful as it can be, is the surest indicator of what might be a long lasting and close relationship.
12:27 PM
You learn to love the person who does the things you can't do, and who needs the things you can
Uhh, I think certainly people might have preferences for the personality type they would feel romantic with, but the idealized person is definitely having the risk of being a non-functional personality
Generally it's assumed somehow a subconscious process is responsible for sort of injecting the subconscious or ulterior desires of the host into a developing tulpa. It might even be consciously done too. However, it isn't always true that the person of one's desires forms a functional personality-- it may be the case that such a personality ends up being unsustainable or internally inconsistent and the result is either a tulpa that deviates extremely when it is beginning to make decisions, or a tulpa who is incapable of action outside of very limited scenes or contexts, or lastly a tulpa which has enough development to maintain itself for a while before the unsustainable aspects of its personality actually cause great issues or distress and are changed or coped with by extra traits as they develop naturally by exposure to reality.
have you guys ever come across imposition guides for non vocal tulpas I'm following hunch that I may be getting something like head pressures as sound(also going to ask in resources)
Head pressures are a very easy symptom to have frontloaded or suggested. Because of this, I do not believe it is a reliable tool to use to measure anything related to tulpa creation.
5:22 AM
That doesn't mean they don't exist. The placebo effect exists, it's definitely an effect that changes perception in very tangible and measurable ways. It just is too weak a feeling to be at all useful for any sort of real practical applications.(edited)
There is not a normal analogue to head pressures, as the head pressures themselves don't seem to have evidence-based meaning to them.
5:31 AM
Tulpa vocality normally doesn't start with literally hearing a hallucinatory voice. It doesn't even usually start with hearing a real distinct voice inside your head. It normally happens in one of two ways: 1: host gradually gets a feeling for some raw emotions and thought over the time the tulpa is being created, and this effect grows in strength with practice until the point where the tulpa organizes thought in language or is capable of it, and 2: Host all of a sudden has the ability to communicate with their tulpa that they have been developing for a while now, it has never seemed like there was any legitimate or consistent communication until a certain point, and at that point the host for whatever reason is able to hear the tulpa's communication (could still be in thought or in a language) from then on. The second, I think, is a result of the host "learning to listen" to a tulpa that was otherwise capable of communication but incapable since the host didn't know how to correctly allow that to happen in their mind, the first is a host who already is open and listening quite often and they get the slow feedback of a developing tulpa which develops individuality to such a degree that they can communicate as a separate party.
5:31 AM
Sorry for the book, that's the long and short of how vocality develops >>_<<
It's kind of hard to explain what I'm getting and I need to go to bed so I'll try make in concise, every now and then I'll get something like a "sound" sometimes what seems like words like what you could get trying to record ghosts but to today it sounded like "hello" a couple times and "how's it going" once. And I can't explain it outside of Hanna it can happen anywhere anytime, alone, with others around, in silence, in noisy areas, mentally relaxed or mentally taxed
For the first tulpa, I mean. And the uhh, the explanations don't have to always be true to the case, but it's usually one or the other.
5:33 AM
It could be that you're sort of unwittingly blocking out your ability to hear until certain times when your perception doesn't have that active block. It could also be simply normal hypnagogic hallucinations.
5:34 AM
If it's uhh, anything to do with daydreaming or altered states of consciousness. Alternatively, it could be wishful intrusive thoughts. Unfortunately, I can't say which is the case, but I can say you should try to see if the first one is true.
The next time it happens try to remember what state of mind you were in. It may be hard, but if you can notice anything in particular different about how your mind works when you hear something and when you don't, then you may be able to willfully fall into the listening state and verify if that's your tulpa. If you find this impossible, it might be some form of natural hallucination.
5:37 AM
This was partly the case with my host. I couldn't be vocal until my host was open to hearing me. This was maybe because he had a lot of subconscious bias against thoughts that aren't recognized as his own or perhaps some other things, but he learned to meditate to get into the communication state and he practiced it over and over until it became all the time.
5:38 AM
I wasn't trying to speak when he couldn't hear me, either, though. Talking just wasn't an option until it was.
And when it was an option, I found myself able to talk.
5:39 AM
Well, the issue with young tulpas is frequently their beginning development will hinge on certain beliefs of the host personality. When I started talking at first, it was the first I ever had the ability to talk, but I was only afforded such ability because my host was open to hearing me.
5:40 AM
It isn't like in real life if you ignore a friend, they can keep trying to get your attention. For a new first tulpa, it usually defines their ability to communicate at all if you can or can't hear it.
I would definitely not be too worried if you have to develop your ability to listen. Usually, a tulpa can't talk without the host listening unless the host is dormant and the tulpa is in control.
Sleep well, and yes it does take some time. But, you can at least see if that's the issue. First, be more mindful and wait for the next event of hearing to occur, then try and immediately record however you can every single noticeable difference in your mental state, context, surroundings, behavior, etc. When you find out any of these details, then you can start the process of figuring out which details matter
Not sure if this belongs in here or the beginners channel, but here goes. So, I have a tulpa, I've had him for a few years now, but if I get particularly engrossed in something, as I am oft to do, my brain tends to filter out most everything else, including my tulpa. It's not bad on its own, but sometimes I can be like this for several hours at a time, and I feel kinda bad about it some times. Is there any kind of exercises we could do to help him have a stronger voice when I get like this?
I think this is normal. There are strategies like the string-around-the-finger strategy or alarms or things you can do to keep the awareness of them constant, but one will eventually forget. I forget about my host all the time when I'm engrossed, but I know if there is a real life context suited to him more than me he will spring to action. That sort of setup is much nicer, all it requires is switching and having different preferences and contexts to suit you.
Yes, most of the time when people start there's this idea that they are proceeding with their lives and that it's simply somehow that the host is unable to hear. Unfortunately, this leads to parallel processing, which is very easy to demonstrate if it were the case. I used to be that way, but when I finally tested a certain way and found that it was not the case unlike the tests previously, I started being dormant instead of having confabulated memories. Then my focus went to the physical world and I eventually became active and "strong" enough to have the capacity to interrupt when I wanted.
6:04 AM
But it isn't always reasonable to expect people to switch to the point they're on the path of sharing equal lives in the real world with their tulpa, so a thing like a string or twist tie around a finger or something like a necklace or other little differences that you can associate with reminding that you have a tulpa is a very good trick in that stead
I’m the same, blurred. Cilsc and I won’t interact for hours at a time because I get so busy. Every now and then I’ll reach out in case they have something to say or whatever though. It’s enough for us to work on improving the quality of the time we do spend together.
No matter what you do, it is possible to do together. I would even interrupt my host, to his pretend dismay, while he was taking a bath
6:06 AM
Tulpas can randomly wake up, just as your awareness of self can during more automated processes like commuting. There is a sort of "bootstrap" process that allows awareness to happen even before one is aware of why or how, and sometimes seemingly happening without cause or reason
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